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  • dara_like_sara avatar

    What outcome do you hope for? I was on a call for the last hour talking with a friend about supporting a vision he has. 

    At the end of the call, he asked "what are you hoping to get out of this?"

    I found the question really hard to answer in a way that makes any sense at all.

    My answer to the questions comes in feelings, images, and body sensations. I see a bowl overflowing, I feel a magnetic pull, I experience a sense of duty, I follow synchronicities, I release and this is what came to me. One of my purposes in this life is to bring people together, especially really smart people. I don't have a goal, and if I did, I am sure it would change. I want to be of service to a vision of the best future possible.

    I'm after the experience. My vision will fill out along the way. 

    When I can't frame the answer in an intelligible way, it causes doubt- maybe this isn't right? Maybe my intuition would have a clearer answer if this were the right path. Maybe I'm cutoff from what outcomes I hope for and need to work on getting more in touch with my desires. Am I too scared to name a desired outcome for fear of being letdown if it doesn't come true?

    But I want to try on that the question may just be the wrong question for me. Or that my answer to the question isn't going to sound like what I've heard from other people. 

    Sharing here, and open to others experience of answering this question. How do you know what you want? 

    And if you know me, happy to hear your perspective on my specific psychology or what you think is going on 🤔

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    I i never watched therefore I won't comment 😔. 

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  • Hannah Aline Taylor avatar

    Personal responsibility is the way to claim all of the influence available. 

    It does not create influence. 

    As I enact personal responsibility, I must remember that there are many situations in the world wherein my influence is 0%. I am able to respond, and that's it. I am not able to control, change, fix, solve, heal, or even participate in any of the foregoing. 

    This is what prevents victim-blaming as I claim my empowerment. Responsibility is distinct from influence, and I do not torture myself with ideas that my thinking "manifested" disease, death, toxic cycles, predators, or any other of the random anything possible in life. 

    Sometimes, my 100% responsibility is happening while I have 0% influence. 

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    also, i accidentally deleted the post you commented on earlier abt the bot, but im hearing you!

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    Being Tuned: How Relatefulness Revolutionized Voice Pedagogy. Category: Cross-Modal Integration

     

    Abstract

    Over twenty-two years of teaching voice and piano and a decade of practicing and facilitating Relatefulness, I have developed a methodology I call Being Tuned. It’s a way of teaching voice built on the theory that the body already knows how to sing and the teacher’s job is not to construct technique from the outside but to help the singer’s voice come through unobstructed. This paper traces how Relatefulness influenced my teaching style into a new methodological framework: Being Tuned, my approach to voice and embodiment. I describe the specific mechanisms by which Relatefulness produced this inside-out orientation that treats the singer’s felt experience as the primary data. It’s a practice of embodied listening in which I feel the student’s voice in my own body, a pedagogy of emotional coexistence that reframes “wrong notes” as information, an emergent session design modeled on attunement rather than curriculum, and a reframe of discipline as discipleship rooted in the Relateful invitation to trust attention. Drawing on reflective interviews with six current and former students, I illustrate what this integration produces in practice.

     

    Author Information

    Annabeth Novitzki is a voice and piano teacher, Relateful facilitator, and Relateful coach based in Austin, Texas. She holds a Bachelor’s degree in Vocal Performance from Carnegie Mellon University and a Master’s degree in Vocal Performance from the University of Memphis. She has twenty-two years of teaching experience. Annabeth is the creator of Being Tuned, an inside-out approach to voice and embodiment, drawn from her work as a music director, voice teacher, and Relateful facilitator. She has been practicing Relatefulness since 2015 and has been certified since 2017. She has has facilitated with The Relateful Company since 2019, is the Head Facilitator of the Relateful Austin Studio, and is one of the certifiers for Level Up, the facilitator training program. She spearheaded the creation of Relateful Camp and organized its first two years.



    Originality Statement

    This work has not been published elsewhere and is entirely my own.



    Conflicts of Interest

    I am Senior Staff at The Relateful Company and derive income from both my music teaching and my Relatefulness facilitation work. The students quoted here are clients in my private voice studio.

     

    Permissions

    All student reflections were gathered in recorded conversations with informed consent. Because of the vulnerable nature of the way I work with the voice, all names have been changed for this article.



    The Mind-Bending Question

    About twenty years ago, a very dear friend, Paul, asked me what singing feels like. I had a degree in Vocal performance, I was a Music Director and taught people to sing, it should have been an easy question to answer, but I was grasping at straws. Paul had been born deaf, so I couldn’t use what speaking feels like as a reference point.

    The way I had to really look to describe each of the intertwined sensations taught me more about my singing voice than my degree had. No one in all those years of training had ever guided me to develop this type of intimate knowledge of my voice and expression. Paul’s simple question planted a seed. But it took a decade, and Relatefulness, for that seed to grow into what is now a new methodology.



    Midwifing and Reflecting

    I call myself a midwife for the voice. The premise of my methodology, Being Tuned, is that the body already knows how to sing; my job is to help it come through, not to construct it from the outside. This is a direct inversion of how I was taught and how virtually every voice teacher I have encountered teaches.

    The conventional model of teaching voice works from the outside in: the teacher listens to the sound, diagnoses the problem, and prescribes a correction. The student executes. But the voice is the only instrument we can’t see or touch while playing it. A pianist sees the keys. A guitarist feels the strings. A singer has no tangible external anchor. The vocal folds are hidden deep in the throat, and excellent technique shows almost no visible evidence. This means the most valuable data in a voice lesson is not what the teacher hears, it is what the singer feels. And in the outside-in model, that data is largely ignored.

    Being Tuned reverses the flow. I begin not with how a student sounds but with how they feel somatically, energetically, and imaginatively. What does it feel like in your body to sing? What happens in your chest when you reach for that note? Can you perceive the source of your desire to sing? Every detail they give me provides far more refined data than anything I can hear from the outside. I am the expert on vocal technique, but the student is the expert on their own body. Neither expertise is sufficient alone.

    Two signature Being Tuned moves illustrate the approach. The first is exhale-first breath work: rather than teaching singers to take a big, controlled inhale—the standard instruction, which often creates tension in the very moment the body most needs release—I start with the exhale. Release first. Let the inhale be a reflex, not an effort. The body knows how to breathe. When we stop overriding it, the breath organizes itself around the sound.

    The second is what I think of as the “opera jolt.” A majority of my voice students are terrified to be loud, to “take up space,” so their instrument stays constricted. In these moments I will sometimes sing at my full operatic capacity, no holding back, the whole room vibrating. It is to let the student feel, in their own body, that full vocal expression is not oppressive. They get a firsthand experience of the sharing, resonating, beauty of an unleashed (but still aimed) voice.



    Three Moments of Waking Up

    I began practicing what was then called Circling in 2015 and took my first facilitator training in 2017. I did not set out to integrate Relatefulness into my voice teaching. As I spent more time in Relateful sessions, where the central aim is presence and an embodied awareness of what being with you is like for me right here right now, the gap between how I showed up in Relatefulness and how I showed up in my music studio became untenable. The integration was less a decision than an inevitability. Most of it happened subconsciously, but three early moments made it visible.

    In the first, I was in my sixth consecutive lesson of the day. I didn’t schedule buffer time, and I believed that if a student paid for an hour I owed them precisely sixty minutes; I never let myself go to the bathroom. That day, a Relateful awareness surfaced: what I need matters during this time too. I told the student to run the song again while I went to the bathroom. It sounds small, but it was game-changing for me, the start of understanding that my own regulation and comfort directly affect what I can offer. Before that, I thought professionalism meant discomfort.

    In the second, I was teaching a piano lesson and I was bored out of my mind. My Relatefulness training had me notice that I was tolerating. I said it out loud: “How is this for you? I’m super bored. Are you bored too?” It turned out he didn’t care about reading sheet music or the method book, he wanted to play the music he heard on the radio. We pivoted to chart reading on the spot and never felt bored again.

    In the third, a student arrived with a tear-streaked face, having learned an hour ago that her beloved grandmother had died. By then my Relateful listening had become intuitive. I offered two options: we could work with how grief was affecting her body and voice, or we could let music hold her. She chose the second. I dimmed the lights. We lay on the floor. I played Barber’s Adagio for Strings while we both let waves of tears flow. Then I played from my mourning playlist. That was a voice lesson.

    Each moment traced back to the same Relateful move: arriving at what is actually here, not what a predetermined curriculum says should be here, but what is genuinely present.

     

    Invitation, Not Command

    My all-time favorite word is “ictus.” An ictus is the moment where a conductor’s had changes direction, and I had always thought it was a demand: “Put beat two right here!” But I later learned from a first chair violinist of the New York Philharmonic that the ictus is an invitation, not command. The conductor commits to the movement with an energetic resonance intended to compel the desired sound from the musicians. My favorite conductor would stop us in rehearsals when something went wrong and say, "That was my mistake, will you give me another try?" He was refining his ictus, his invitation.

    This is exactly how I facilitate a voice lesson, and it is exactly how Relatefulness taught me to facilitate anything. In a Relateful session, instead of leading a planned interaction, the facilitator orients toward presence and trusts awareness as a guide, noticing what is genuinely present, including what is being avoided or tolerated. I bring this same orientation to every music lesson.

    I have the student pause and self-reflect before we begin. Where are you right now? How is your body? Is there something you’re burning to work on? This is not small talk, it’s the foundational act of the session, because fatigue, emotional weight, and physical tension determine what is even possible for the voice in that moment. Liam, one of my students, told me it took five or six lessons to realize he could sing at any time he chose—that he was in the driver’s seat. He had spent those early sessions waiting for me to tell him when to sing, what he thought a voice teacher would do. When he understood the choice was his, he described it as learning he was at choice with his voice. Bella described the effect of this approach: the sessions were so different from one another that it seemed like I never had a plan. It was fluid and in-the-moment, waiting to see what would arise. Elle, a scientist who had always preferred being told the material directly, surprised herself by thriving. She reflected that the technical elements—scales, intervals—came in at their own time. When she arrived one day having not practiced her opera piece, I offered the choice to work on it anyway. She was startled. Her previous teacher would not want to hear a piece that hadn’t been practiced—a waste of the teacher’s time. The idea that a lesson could meet her wherever she was struck her as a revelation.

    The Relatefulness practice of “making the implicit explicit”  has entered my voice lessons directly. Rather than delivering a verdict, I explore collaboratively from embodied experience: “I felt something shift in the third phrase, did you feel that?” or “There was a moment where I lost you, can you tell me what happened internally?” This makes the lesson genuinely collaborative in a way that outside-in instruction cannot be.





    Listening with the Whole Body

    When a student is singing, I’m often not really seeing with my eyes anymore. I’m feeling my body, letting their voice impact me. Something in that impact generates, inside my own body, a surprisingly developed guess of how it might be feeling in theirs as they sing. When they finish, I check my strongest guess: “Was there a tightening here when you reached for that note?” If they’re unsure, we run an experiment. Recently at a session my embodied guess was entirely accurate, and Dave said it seemed like I had done magic.

    I did not learn this in any pedagogy course or see it in any of my training. I learned it in Relatefulness, where tracking one’s own embodied experience in the presence of another person is a fundamental skill. Over thousands of hours, my body has become an increasingly sensitive instrument for reading what is happening in someone else. In the voice studio, this gives me access to information I could not get otherwise.

    Dave reflected that in all his years of studying saxophone, trumpet, and drums, no teacher had ever asked how a passage felt in his body. He told me that if his childhood teachers had done this, he would have locked in his learning far more effectively. Bill, a guitarist, described how bringing this kind of somatic attention to his voice was the most exciting and surprising thing about lessons. It felt more in tune with how he already experienced music internally; he just needed permission to apply that attention to singing.



    Everything the Voice Does Is Informative

    Nearly every student arrives with a mindset of right and wrong (wrong notes, right sounds) and that framing is itself one of the biggest obstacles to their singing. My view is different. All sounds the voice can make are informative. Almost any sound is the perfect sound for some moment of some song the student may want to sing someday. Instead of “wrong note,” my response might be: “That pitch was a quarter tone flat, but given the difficulty of what you’re aiming for, your vocal cords are still building strength. Singing it a quarter tone flat with excellent technique is the best place you can be right now, great job!!” Or simply: “Ok cool, you don’t prefer how that sounded, let’s aim at what you’d like more.”

    For most adult singers, the main obstacles are emotional and psychological. Someone told them they were tone deaf as a child. They believe singing should feel effortless, so when it feels exposed and vulnerable, they clench against the vulnerability, which makes the sound worse, which confirms the belief. Relatefulness gave me the capacity to be with these dynamics, to name what I notice, stay present with whatever arises, and let the student know that singing feels vulnerable for many of us, including me, and that we can collaborate to navigate the full emotional range. Playfulness and humor are essential tools here. Laughter is a regulatory act. It coexists with seriousness. When I can model that coexistence, being deeply attentive and genuinely playful at the same time, it gives students permission to stop performing composure and start being human.

    Liam described singing as intimate and sacred, which he’d never associated with his voice. Bella reflected that the lessons dismantled her perfectionism in a way years of work in other contexts had not. Isaac noted that a previous teacher would ask where he felt a sound but then say “don’t feel it there,” which is unhelpful when that was simply where the sensation was and he wasn’t putting it there on purpose. In our work, the aim is never to deny what is present. The aim is to get curious, explore, and be with it.

     

    Discipline as Discipleship

    For most of my life I felt burdened by the way I approached discipline. I forced myself to practice during my degrees. I told students what I expected of their efforts. Discipline was a weight I carried and placed on other people.

    The shift came through Relatefulness. In my earlier training, I was doing a lot of tolerating: ignoring my own desires to give others the attention I thought I was supposed to give. But Relatefulness is one of the deepest trust practices I’ve encountered. An aim is to trust where our attention is naturally drawn and not force it elsewhere. This requires trusting the others in the session; if I missed something important, someone else’s attention will have caught it. And for me, no longer tolerating requires trusting God: if we all missed it, the person who spoke can see that their way of sharing didn’t land.

    I had been tolerating the discipline I was taught in music school, and then I stumbled across the fact that discipline shares etymological roots with “disciple,” which is when a person loves something so much they can’t help but become devoted to it. Relatefulness helped me see that my truest nature is in love with music. I notice and accomplish enormous amounts with no force. I could trust that love, that discipleship, and stop ruining music with all the coercion I’d been calling discipline.

    I now tell students: we don’t need music to survive. Music is for thriving. Don’t make the piano bench feel like the time-out chair. Because my methods rely on integration, on the body discovering how excellent technique feels and preferring it, students don’t need to force practice. The body, once it discovers what is possible, will pursue it. And if the love doesn’t translate into singing between lessons, my counsel is: quit and go pursue something you’re devoted to. 

    Bill told me that before our lessons he always half-sang with a hesitancy, a holding back. Three lessons in, he was singing at home spontaneously, aiming for a feeling he’d discovered in sessions. Once he found it, he said, it just rings out. What changed was not technique. It was permission.

    Experience First, Name Later

    In Relatefulness, the most powerful learning happens when a participant has an experience they cannot yet name, and then receives language for it afterward. The experience comes first, the framework comes second. If you reverse the order, if you teach the concept and then ask someone to have the experience, you get intellectual comprehension but not embodied knowing. The participant is performing the concept rather than discovering it.

    I teach voice the same way. I do not explain breath support and then ask a student to do it. I create conditions in which their body organizes its breath well, often by working with their emotions, their imagery, their desire to express something specific, and then, once their body has done the thing, I name what just happened. “Notice what your belly felt like when that note sounded so good to you just now. Can you recreate it? Can we give it a name that works for you?” Now the technique belongs to them. It is not my instruction that they are executing. It is their own body’s discovery that they are remembering.

    Dave and Isaac, a couple who take lessons together, described this as the difference between learning to make music correctly and learning to express what is real. Isaac said he was still working on connecting to music as an expression of something inside rather than something to be done correctly, and that the shift, when it came, changed not just his singing but how he related to making music with his partner and their nephew. Dave told me what he was really learning was not how to sing better, but how to be more himself, in music and in everything else. He said, “We came for the singing and stayed for the growth.”

     

    What I Am Still Learning

    Not every student thrives with me. Students who want the teacher to tell them exactly what to do find my style disorienting. Liam reflected that a younger version of himself might have taken thirty lessons to start singing. Elle said she would not have predicted this approach would work for her; it did, but it required a leap of faith. I’m still learning to signal that the open space is not the absence of direction but the presence of a different kind of attention.

    What Relatefulness has given my teaching is a deep trust that what is genuinely present in the room is the most reliable guide to what should happen next. In a Relateful session, this means orienting toward embodied, relational presence rather than imposing a topic. In my voice studio, it means orienting toward the student’s actual experience rather than imposing a lesson plan. In both, my job is not to know the answer in advance. It is to create conditions in which the answer can emerge on its own, and to bring attention to it when it does.

    Laila said the lessons were about “something on the inside that needs to come out, and that vocalizing helps you understand and give life to it.” Liam called what we do, at its essence, a presence practice with an underlying intention toward self-expression. I would not be teaching this way if I had not spent the last decade learning, in Relatefulness, what it means to be present with another person. Not fixing them, not directing them, but meeting them where they are, and discovering together what wants to happen next.

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  • UpTrust Admin avatar

    AMA with John Mackey. Wednesday, 2/11 at 2:00 PM CT

    We’re here to talk about A Course in Miracles, and The Disappearance of the Universe, and how we can help each other home with the practices of true forgiveness.

    John Mackey is well known as the co-founder of Whole Foods (and CEO for 44 years), innovator in Conscious Capitalism (including creating billion dollar company while changing food systems for the better, implementing executive salary caps, radical health care and employee wellness programs, etc,) and most recently founder of Love.life - a cutting edge medicine, nutrition, fitness, center w/ pickleball, cafe. 

     

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=5GVmvrPQgD4
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    Wish I could've joined. Every link brought me to this thread but not the live meeting 😔 

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  • annabeth avatar

    Like is different than trust. I think Jordan said at an uptrust session that he misses the like button. I’m having the same feeling lately, there are posts I like that I wouldn’t necessarily say I trust. Or I want to give it some sort of that was cool but I don’t want that statement in my trust algorithm.

    But maybe that’s all for the best? Surely some not-insignificant portion of my trust isn’t in my conscious awareness, maybe feeling a sense of yes to something is functionally the same as trust.

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    This is a valid point. In real life trust is something you build over time. I think that the proclivity to be cautious using the word TRUST so casually depends on if trust has an implication of security or vulnerability. I think immediately about vulnerability, right?...
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    Hello! Always Proud to Be Part of an Inclusive and Emerging Network. As a creative professional with over 20 years of experience in the entertainment industry, living in the vibrant city of Los Angeles, I find myself continually reflecting on the pivotal role that mentors, leaders, and educators have played in my personal and professional journey. Their unwavering support and guidance have shaped my path, and for that, I am eternally grateful.

    Calling All Industry Professionals

    Whether you’re already part of the entertainment industry, aspiring to break into it, or simply a passionate fan of film, television, and live entertainment, I invite you to connect. Let’s share insights, dreams, and celebrate our collective passion.

    Chase Your Dreams, Stay True

    Remember, as we reach for our dreams, let’s do so with respect for one another. Let’s stay connected, lift each other up, and above all, be bravely, unapologetically, and authentically ourselves—always.

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    Love it! If anyone gives you grief about it send them my way. 

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    AMA with Nate Soares. Wednesday 2/4 at 10am CT

    Author of If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies answers questions about why superhuman AI would kill us all.

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    "He's an idiot who is full of shit, but he sure can format the hell out of a post, gotta give him that!"

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    What is the 'Metacrisis' and How Do We Solve It? (AMA). Rewatch the live AMA conversation with Layman Pascal 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyq_ZfdtTmg
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    Procedural question: If a Bot asks me for more information, how do I post a reply? So far, it seems cementing of my original comment or posting a new one are my only options.

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  • W

    PLANTS ARE NOT CONSCIOUS.  

     

    This is my response to a post to a Facebook group post about the idea that plants and animals without brains have consciousness; that plants, and other life forms without nervous systems like ours, might also have it. The comment, albeit popular in a trendy sorta' way, is far from justified. Here's why:

     

     

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    Moving the Goal Posts:

     

    To start with consciousness isn’t being found in plants. There’s no evidence for that at all. What is happening is that the word itself is being reframed to include more physical processes than intellectual reflection. That’s not new, panpsychism has been around for hundreds of years, probably longer. What’s changed isn’t the "discovery", it’s the cultural redefining of what consciousness is. With all of the obstacles to overcome creating AIs, computer science started taking it seriously, so people stopped laughing at the idea, and that tolerance has spread to neurology and layman speculations about nature; BUT let’s be clear, there is no actual evidence for plant consciousness at all. None. There’s just a social shift to how popular culture is saying it should be defined. The problem being that simple reaction ISN'T consciousness.

    When people say “plants are conscious,” what they’re really describing is what a plant does when it’s faced with something that might harm it, but that’s not awareness, it’s an evolved physical response. You grow your hair for evolutionary reasons too, but are you aware of your hair growing? Can you choose for it not to? Are you monitoring the process as it happens

     

     

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    What Actually is Consciousness?

     

    Consciousness is an evolved, sophisticated result of the need for certain animals to move in complex ways for complex reasons. Take pain, as one example. Why does pain exist? Because when we’re in pain, we move away from it, QUICKLY. That’s its purpose. If you had to analyze pain before reacting, if say you leaned on a stove and had to think about whether to move or not, you’d be badly burned before you finished the thought. Pain bypasses thought. It makes us act now. It evolved due to the need for instant mobility.

     

    A tree can’t move quickly. It doesn’t need pain. It doesn’t need that kind of awareness. ITS strategy is to become strong and massive so to withstand harm rather than avoid it. Grass handles harm by being flexible and abundant; one blade dies, another takes its place, the species survives. There’s no evolutionary pressure there for the kind of awareness pain provides animals. And since all of the emotions function as contextually behavioral presets using mobility as its medium like pain, plants have no reason to evolve those either.

     

    Those preset reactions in us, are the roots of what we call “awareness.” The stored memories of predicted contexts that allows us to adjust our reactions more or less appropriately become our beliefs. And the total structural paradigm of those beliefs along with the emotions and awareness, cause our self-awareness, and our inner life, and THAT’s what we call "consciousness."

     

     

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    If Plants Don't Think, What Are We Looking At?

     

    Another thing people with this "plants think" idea get wrong is that plants quite literally don’t think or talk to each other. More accurately put, they react to each other through fungi. It’s the fungi doing the coordination, not the plant. So if we want to assign consciousness to something you don't assign it to the foot, you assign it to the brain, if you git what I'm sayin'. Through mycorrhizal symbiosis fungi trade their stability and ability to distribute resources for the plant’s sugar and energy. The fungi decide how nutrients, water, and chemical signals are shared. If you want to talk about something “brain-like,” it’s the fungi, not the tree. The fungi organize the forest. The plant itself just reacts.

     

    And this kind of cooperation; one organism joining with another to create a larger, organized whole; isn’t unique to plants and fungi. It happens between animals and like with pollinators, even between animals and plants. Then there's when one plant or animal survives as a parasite of the other. Interestingly, the prevailing theory is that this is how single-celled life evolved in the first place. One simple cell drifting through the world, over time, adapts to new environments and splits into variations. Two different variations meet again, and as it happens come to work together as it helped them both survive. The ones that don’t cooperate either have to evolve differently to survive or die out, and the ones working together, integrated until eventually one cell absorbed the other. The idea is that, that's how modern cells got their inner mechanisms, like the cell's nucleus, that made them more complex cells than just the simpler walled off sectioned cells that they'd evolved from.

     

    Were those early cells (or even the modern ones) “conscious”? Of course not. They're only cells. But can they react? Absolutely. Reaction and cooperation aren’t awareness. They’re steps toward complexity.

     

     

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    The Brain Itself is Not Responsible:

     

    The post also brought up the idea that animals without centralized brains have their own consciousness, without a brain, and yeah, I'd have to agree with that. The thing is though, the pivotal mechanism creating consciousness isn’t the brain itself. It’s the nervous system within the brain. The brain works because it’s a highly organized communication network like hardware capable of running complex, shifting contexts. That’s what lets us think and feel. An octopus, as an example, has a distributed nervous system that allows for a similar kind of complexity, even though it’s organized differently than a centralized brain with a spinal cord.

     

    So yes, you can have a brain without consciousness, but you can’t have consciousness without a nervous system (or something equally complex to serve as the hardware) .....even an analogue machine would do the job, it just wouldn't be as quick as what animals have. Plants don’t have that. Their structure simply doesn’t allow for the kind of integrated, layered processing that consciousness requires.

     

     

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    But We Aren't Plants, How Can We Know For Sure?:

     

    And I think it important to address an argument possibly implied in all of this; the idea that plant consciousness might just be too alien for us to recognize is neither an objective position, nor is it true. That we can’t judge them by our standards because we don’t share the same kind of mind doesn't keep us from a clear analysis and comparison of the mechanisms involved. This idea contradicts itself.

     

    Our definitions of consciousness come from us, from humans observing and describing the world. Plants aren’t taking part in that. The word “consciousness” belongs to the language of beings talking to themselves, not the plants. If you say plants have it, you’re already using the word differently than someone who says they don’t, and in a way that compares what they experience to ours. Their assumptions are in the possibility of that comparison.

     

    It’s not that we can’t know either way, that our hands are tied and we've no choice but to remain agnostic on this. The arguments I've already made stand on their own. It’s that we’re talking about different things entirely. People who side with making the determination rest on a definition of "consciousness" that's precise enough to be used deductively, making this a 'yes' or 'no' answer, while people who side with not making that determination rest on the idea that we don't really know what "consciousness" is.

     

    The thing is, is that while we can't know the intricate details about every last horse that exists, WE ACTUALLY DO have a clear definition of what "horse" means regardless of the infinite focus on those details, and as long as the same can be said for "consciousness", whether anything has it, will be at some point determinable. That is UNLESS, some of us are determined to keep moving the goal posts without considering the mechanism, and the definition keeps becoming blurred.

     

    To hopefully hit this point home, remember the old “how do I know your blue, is my blue?” argument? Sure, we can’t directly feel each other’s experience objectively, without tainting our perspectives with our own individual views, but what we can do is look at the mechanisms that produce them. We can see how the brain processes light, how those processes create the experience of color, and then compare those mechanisms between people. From that, we can define what the “blue” mechanism is, and how we're experiencing the same and different things when the color pops up. The same goes for consciousness. We can see the structures that support awareness, memory, and emotional integration, and plants simply don’t have them. So unless we stretch “consciousness” to mean “anything that reacts,” there’s simply no reason to say plants have it.

     

     

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    The Popularity of the Idea That They Do:

     

    So why are so many jumping on the bandwagon? It's the other "old" story. People project themselves into everything in order to understand them. It's anthropomorphism 101. Some of us can't even analyze anything without projecting our self centered human traits on to it. It's why prejudices pollute so many of the beliefs of so many of the people you see around you. Whenever you say to yourself "How can this guy be so blinded by this crazy idea?" think about what's happening here and whether there's actually anything at all pointing to the idea that plants can think.

     

    TommyB•...

    Your first post is you rehashing some old fb beef, and insulting those who engage with it. How did you get here?

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  • M

    The concept of this app sounds promising. Do you think the internet can be a place for deep and meaningful conversations in this day and age?

    kmitcham•...
    Deep and meaningful conversations? Social media has become a hazardous wading pool. Cruelty, one view rhetoric, and a desire to hurt others while shielded by anonymity are just some of the sharp edges hidden by the human waste foaming on top of the surface....
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  • jordan avatar

    The price of alignment is grief 💔 . Alignment demands the death of all unaligned realities. Finding the perfect job costs the one that’s good enough. Letting go of a partnership that isn’t quite right means mourning the future you imagined inhabiting together. Stopping a sport that you keep getting injured playing means realizing that joy is no longer available to you, and maybe hasn’t been for a while.

    Many times we’re grieving not only the future dreams that won’t come to be, the present attachments that we’re releasing back to the void, but the past we now see was based on tolerating experiences rather than courageously pursuing the greatest good.

    Yes, this grief is all based on stories made up in the mind. Even the idea of opportunity cost—what you could have been doing if you had realized this sooner, demands this moment’s realization, which only comes as a result of all the mistakes. That’s what learning is. You don’t walk without taking falls.

    But that doesn’t make the grief any less real. Our thoughts are real. Our stories make life meaningful. We must be willing to grieve these in order to open to the possibility of new versions of ourselves, and therefore allow our lives to change. 

    And I’ve never known grief that wasn’t built out of love. Grief is a gift that shows us our heart.

    #TTT 

    jordanSA•...

    you're so welcome, and thanks for letting me know @Florence. I feel warm and sad (in a way that I appreciate) with you just reading this. 

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  • Robbie Carlton avatar

    Please help me stay intellectually honest! I'm not a fan of generative AI in general, and LLM technology specifically. I think its capabilities are being drastically over-hyped. It's a perfect, sweaty example of a solution looking for a problem. I'm skeptical of many claims people are making wrt how it's helping them.

    My experience is it's like having access to an idiot-savant intern. Awful at most tasks, but knows everything and can read incredibly quickly.

    Publicly, I've taken on the mantle of a staunch critic of generative AI and a pro-human, pro-soul advocate.

    And for the most part, I'm happy with that stance. I like it. It feels good to rail against something, and it feels good to contrast a thing that I hate against something I love. It throws the love into more relief.

    Yet, I don't want to lose any babies in that bathwater, and I don't want to lose my intellectual honesty in the neurochemical rush of fighting for a cause. So I'd love to explore the best use cases of LLMs that you all are actually using, and actually finding beneficial, life improving, productivity increasing, all of that.

    I'd love to hear your experience, and ideally, you'd to tell me how you're doing what you're doing with it in enough detail so that I can try it.

    I'll start.

    Absolutely most useful thing I've found for it so far, and it's not even close, is language learning.

    I'm in a slow process of learning Japanese, and asking a chatbot to break down the grammar of a specific sentence is super useful. It's also great for generating content for flashcards. Say you have a set of characters, and you want some example words that use each particular character. It's so easy to generate stuff like that.

    Outside of that, I use it in super basic ways (basically as google with one less step).

    So please, give me your best use cases, things that you've not only been impressed by, in a "oh wow, that monkey can tap dance!" way, but that has actually improved the quality of your life.

    Robbie Carlton•...
    This feels like spam to me. I get that it's broadly on topic, and I get that it's hard out there to get social media engagement. But you didn't respond to the actual question in my post....
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  • tasshin avatar

    nuance. I've been on Twitter since 2007. And I love it! In recent years, I've met most of my friends and collaborators there. Hell, I've met most of the people I've dated through there.

    But I can tell U one thing I don't like about Twitter: having conversations. Which is ironic, given that I love having conversations. Meaningful, deep conversations are one of my great joys in life.

    "people are sacred, conversations are worship"

    It's also ironic, given that Twitter is, in some ways, one of the best public forums out there. Most everybody has a Twitter account. 

    But typically, I don't actually enjoy having conversations there. For me, the hallmark of a good Twitter conversation is that I want to take it off Twitter. I want to move into a more private setting, like the DM's, or a Zoom call, or ideally an in-person conversation. Those are all far better mediums than Twitter for a detailed, nuanced, meaningful conversation.

    I think it's not so good for good conversations because it's in public. Anybody can butt in and express their opinion, or object. But I'm not interested in just anybody's opinions or objections. I want to have conversations with specific people.

    On top of that, the fact that historically, there's been a character limit limits the degree of nuance that's possible. 

    That's part of why I'm so excited by this platform, and the possibility of writing here. A platform explicitly built for nuance means that we have a hope of having the kinds of conversations I love having, am nourished by, in a digital setting. Like the golden ages of the phpBB forums of old, but in 2025.

    So here's to UpTrust. I'm excited to see what I end up writing here. And I'm excited to see who resonates, and what kinds of conversations we can have together.

    tasshin•...

    that could do it, and I like using that feature on Twitter sometimes—but I would value a good reply from a stranger, that is even-headed and contributes meaningful input! so it's contextual i suppose

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  • Sara Schultz avatar

    I can’t believe I have waited till I was pregnant to get a pregnancy pillow

    This is state of the art comfort technology and I can’t believe I’ve lived without it until now SMH

    Sara Schultz•...
    (meta note: this is my first test run at seeing how it feels to post here like I am used to posting on other social media platforms ie like 80% casual personal chatty vibes 20% Big Worthwhile...
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  • Rick Moede•...

    New here. No idea how this works yet. Just "tweeting" into the void. Or perhaps "trusting" into the void. : )

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  • Philip avatar

    Trump is doing his part to make money great again (by embracing Bitcoin). Preamble:

     

    At this point I've spent a few thousand hours studying Bitcoin. It's a fascinating rabbit hole and a subject I've become passionate about. Here are some of the conclusions I've reached:  

    1. Bitcoin is by far the best form of money that humanity has come up with so far. It’s accessible to anyone with an internet connection (truly global and egalitarian), its supply is finite (something we’ve never had before) and it separates money from state, which is really good for a number of reasons. To name just a couple: it curtails governments' ability to wage endless wars (that are, at least in part, funded with the creation of new money/debt) and it prevents them from constantly inflating the money supply and devaluing the value of each unit of the currency (the scourge that we all know as ""inflation"").  
    2. Since it's still in the early days of its valuation, Bitcoin's "price" (exchange rate might be more accurate) in the short-term is very unpredicatable and volatile. But in the medium to long-term, it's becoming more and more valuable by orders or magnitude (hundreds of dollars, to thousands, to tens of thousands and soon hundreds of thousands per bitcoin). This makes it an excellent savings vehicle for the long-term. It's also a form of money that is unconfiscatable which can be extremely useful to people living under totalitarian governments, fleeing war zones, etc.
    3. Everything else in ""crypto"" besides Bitcoin is at best, a startup with a yet-to-be-proven use case and in most cases more like a scam. This can be quite infuriating to those of us who understand Bitcoin because every single crypto scam only serves to further confuse the mainstream and to make people assume that Bitcoin must also be a scam.

    Deep Take:

     

    Trump has just announced that the US government will create a Strategic Bitcoin Reserve, meaning they will be holding (and likely buying) bitcoin as a strategic asset, similar to how they hold gold, oil, etc. As much as I might dislike Trump and many of his policies, I think this is something that can have incredibly good long-term consequences for the world.  

    I do think it’s a shame that since it's Trump doing this, progressives and people on the Left are probably even less likely to adopt Bitcoin. I imagine for most people who don't like Trump it will just seem like another of his crazy/dangerous schemes. I think that's a shame because when used as long-term savings technology, adopting Bitcoin can be enormously empowering financially and in terms of enhancing personal responsibility. I've lived this in my own experience and it's something that I wish for others. 

    Nonetheless, I’ve always considered myself more of a progressive and I still took the time to look into Bitcoin, so it's definitely possible. I hope others on the Left can manage to be independently-minded enough to not miss the boat. I also think that only someone as “out there” as Trump could have allowed something as revolutionary and "against the grain" as a Strategic Bitcoin Reserve to happen in the US government. Evolution, as they say, works in mysterious ways.

    Trump is being advised by Wall Street veterans like Howard Lutnick (Commerce Secretary) and Scott Bessent (Treasury Secretary) who understand Bitcoin and its potential future value. And yeah, they're probably mostly in it to make money. Lutnick, by his own admission, owns hundreds of millions of dollars' worth of Bitcoin. But that's not the point. The point is that Bitcoin is like a Trojan Horse. I'm pretty sure people in the US government and Wall Street (and subsequent governments around the world who adopt a similar strategy) will do their very best to co-opt Bitcoin. They'll try to take it over and neutralize it as a threat to their monetary monopolies. But Bitcoin has proven its anti-fragility time and again. Not only does it ""refuse to die"" but every time it's been attacked, it comes back stronger and even more resilient. I fully expect that to continue.

    And so by taking the first steps towards the US government adopting Bitcoin (and thereby legitimizing it in the eyes of the world), Trump and co. are accelerating the transition from government-backed inflationary currencies to a form of money that can’t be inflated or manipulated by anyone and can be used by everyone. It's going to be a long and messy transition, but I think it's a very, very good thing for humanity's future. As the saying goes: ""even a broken clock is right twice a day." : )

    #DeepTakes

    Philip•...

    LOL, it took me several tries to get the paragraph formatting right(ish) for this post. Feedback sent. : )

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  • dara_like_sara avatar

    Sharing controversial take can actually lead to a better world. Most of social media today rewards bold claims—but not the process of refining them. The more you double down, the more attention you get.

    But I want a world where people can share strong opinions  in order to refine them, not just defend them. Relationships—online or in person—should shape our beliefs, not just reinforce them.

    Dialogue shouldn't be just about making a point but instead being open to updating our views.

    Updating can look many ways, including being even more sure about our perspective. 

    So, for some of you, my "hot take" is that you should risk sharing the scary thing. For others, my "hot take" is that you should risk having your views updated after you've shared them. 

    Which camp are you in?

    #DeepTakes

    venita•...
    Important topic, Dara!  I'm in both camps. I have felt quite censored and attacked over the past ten years for some of my views. So I definitely censor myself now and participate in conversations on-line a lot less. I am sad about this....
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  • annabeth avatar

    UpTrust is both destroying my interest in other social media platforms and improving the way I interact with them.

    It became blatant to me this week when I realized my screen time limits had long since stopped popping up for social media. I would open an app, look at up to 5 things, feel an "ugh," and go do something else.

    More and more in conversations I've been saying, "I just wrote a post about that on UpTrust!" an more and more the reply is, "How can I get on it??"

    I've never much been tempted to share and/or elaborate on my opinions anywhere on the internet. But I have been interested in posting them here, and my reason keeps being that it feels like the algorithm has my back. After I post an opinion here, the likelihood that something generative and worthwhile will happen feels way higher here. Even when I imagine a bunch of buttholes joining.

    Earlier today, something happened that I totally had not forseen. I replied to a Facebook post I was tagged in that I've been annoyed by and avoiding for months. And I replied the way I'd reply here- thoroughly, thoughtfully, with a belief that it could be worth my time and energy. I think UpTrust is giving me a lot of practice at typing what matters to me in this kind of format, and my increased skill is getting paid forward to other parts of life.

    PS- I keep wanting to type "algorhythm" because of my music background, but anyway it's an amazing name for a math rock band.

    renee•...
    That's cool, Annabeth! "Even when I imagine a bunch of buttholes joining." LOL!!! Here I feel like I should be more thoughtful and not bring quick one or two-liners. Then the time thing feels stressful and I'm less likely to post....
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  • forrestbwilson avatar

    Musings: The World Is Overstilumated. I'm reflecting on my experience this summer spending 3 days in the dark. I was in Tangier, Morocco, in an apartment, and I had those garage door window shutters that would keep the entire apartment completely pitch black even in the middle of the day. I chose to spend 3 days in the darkness. Mostly sitting on the couch staring into darkness.

    I wasn't aware of this experience having much impact until I started having phone calls with people from the darkness. I could hear everything in the silence. Beyond someone's voice, I could hear the Soul speaking. I'm pretty convinced we can communicate in Silence, and I love words.

    I've been wondering about how overstimulated the world is. In this moment I'm watching the woman across the table from me scroll through her phone, going from Instagram to Spotify to texting to checking out concert tickets this weekend. Starting sentences and starting new ones mid sentence. I'm in love with how incongruent and disoriented we can appear as humans.

    I wonder what it would be like for the world to take a day off from stimulus: food, cell phone, entertainment devices, etc. What if we had a collective pause? Sunlight, water, fresh air. Our collective nervous system could use a Parasympathetic Pause. I like this as an Emerging Probability and Planetary Potential. Feels like part of the emerging meta-model and protocol for The Wellbeing of Humanity.

    xander•...
    Exactly!  Without an overt comment, there can be lots of engagement with uptrusting, and the appearance of no engagement, which for me is indistinguishable from being ignored....
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  • thehunmonkgroup•...

    Platform feedback

    Immediate feedback after having used Uptrust: Commenting was way easier than up/down trusting – I will admit that I never understood the whole "reaction" thing in social media, so maybe this discrepancy is more about me than the platform Following the threads was murderously...
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